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aleeque · Post by **aleeque** » 29 Mar, 2016 15:53

I agree, the whole "all classes do fine" argument that Dacian is presenting seems like such hypocrisy to me.

Even in HIS OWN videos the Rogue is outperforming all his other characters by a factor of 3-5 at the very least. Just look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV7fP8BTBw4

Or let's take a video by another player:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyd6LAMl1YQ

Can any other class do anything similar?

DacianDraco · Post by **DacianDraco** » 29 Mar, 2016 21:40

All classes can do that just fine, maybe not as fast but who cares? No matter what someone is always gonna be faster. Same user made vids for all classes and i see no problem in his pseudo clearing Terror's Domain, did't have optimal gear but still pretty good showcase of effortless farming, i can and will do better once i decide to come back and replay it, vids will be posted in showcase topic. Until then only solution to this non existent problem would be to severely nerf the Rogue. Hope everyone welcomes this change if development resumes, because if anything is gonna change it is this, all can clear and Rogue happens to clear faster, and you insist it's not "balanced" with the rest, so she is the one to fix.

Also i'd be nice to see how your Warrior clears Terror's Domain on Torment compared to all other classes, since you said he and the Rogue are the "strongest" in endgame.

aleeque · Post by **aleeque** » 29 Mar, 2016 22:20

maybe not as fast but who cares?

I'm pretty sure the absolute majority of players care how their favorite class performs compared to others.

No matter what someone is always gonna be faster

Yeah, but when it's a factor of 3-5 times faster, it's a big issue.

Until then only solution to this non existent problem would be to severely nerf the Rogue

Yes, let's ruin the only decent class instead of making the useless ones balanced. Great logic.

DacianDraco · Post by **DacianDraco** » 30 Mar, 2016 1:51

Cool, tell me more.

Ugily · Post by **Ugily** » 30 Mar, 2016 18:31

At level 60 pretty much every class with optimum equipment can slice through dungeons like that. At max XP, stat points can be reallocated and most put into DEX in this case.

My level 50 Necromancer just follows behind an army of minions and picks up stuff while tossing out Apocalypse as fast as he can. For the next 10 levels, app points will go into MAG to max out spell levels, then reallocate into VIT.

Barbarian 48 with Trang Oul set is a shredder until you come up with a boss with high physical defenses. Then switch secondary weapon 4050 DPS that Ignore Target Defense. Beat uber Diablo to complete Hell.

Assassin 40 is a whirlwind of flames, explosions and death. Just starting Hell. And yes, I use sword and shield (Dragons Breach and Blade of Five Suns) for 3245 initial DPS. Beat uber Diablo to finish Nightmare.

Warrior 46 just started Torment, but I have not found the optimum equipment combo yet, still struggles with mobs. Using Iratha set and Thunderlord set together is impressive.

Mage 45 is about to beat Hell, but struggles to clear Terror Domain in time to defeat Diablo. Uses Harridan's set with all items +3 or higher Chain Lighting and Meteor Cluster. Conjurers belt and rings with +3 Chain Lighting each also. Good for everything except immune to lightning. Secondary staff has decent elemental% for all.

DacianDraco · Post by **DacianDraco** » 30 Mar, 2016 19:35

If you have it try Tal Rasha set with Dragon's Breach uniq shield for a more efficient Meteor Clusters and Apocalypse. Or if you want to make lightning work you need to go over some -60-65% lightning resist, you can do this with Elemental Drain and have at least some -15% lightning resist staff (preferably -30% lightning and also % spell dmg, +MAG and +2 spell lvls). Also double Prismatic Band might be better than those +3 Chain Lightning craft rings, and later on when you get a few more clvls Cromatic Ire is also a good staff to upgrade your setup, preferably with high end roll on -resists. And don't forget that with Elemental Drain you can break Gam'ar's Magic resist and rip several thousands hp from him with Bone Spirit, then finish him off with Chain Lightning/Meteor Cluster/Blizzard, rest of the generals and Diablo are easier, just have Golem distract them and use whatever spell you like most from a safe distance.

rusudan · Post by **rusudan** » 31 Mar, 2016 0:00

well it's pretty hard to balance classes in a game like this
sure all can finish game but efficiency wise and speed wise rogue>all

the most important thing with rogues is
-dex scales good with damage, skills and as I said earlier you can easily get 100% crit so every attack=crit
-there are no immunities (I don't even like the concept of this because it really hinders spell dependent classes)
-also ranged mobs that run away can be annoying for melee classes

this is all redundant chat tho i don't think anybody is working on belzebub anymore

Dog · Post by **Dog** » 01 Apr, 2016 4:13

I like the work done with this mod but reading this series of posts it does seem like you DacianDraco are what they call a fanboy dude
there is stuff wrong with this mod
Its true
and why is "//Sharing characters is not allowed."
WTF yo ?????

Dog · Post by **Dog** » 01 Apr, 2016 4:28

they didnt figure it out but I did !!!!!!

// just google this game and my name 4 links down

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ill do my part!!!

{color=authority} pfft ___{/authority}

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aleeque · Post by **aleeque** » 02 Apr, 2016 4:40

Allright, I think I was wrong about the Barbarian, he is not as good as the Rogue, but definitely not terrible either.

I found some decent gear and he's now quite fun and easy to play. Although I do NOT use Frenzy at all, I find it a waste of time (maybe it becomes better in Torment, no idea). It's better to just teleport on top of enemies and Cleave the hell out of them. The casting animation is short enough to not be a problem, honestly. And with some mana leech, you can teleport forever.

New players may not know how to telekill, here's an old guide: http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Bolty's_H ... ELEKILLING

(note: the telekill landing spots are changed in this mod. You'll get used to it though)

The Barbarian has a lot of steroids. Rage, Insanity, Sacrifice... that's a lot. And Rage has a ridiculously short cooldown. It's pretty much always up.

hexd · Post by **hexd** » 04 Apr, 2016 0:34

@Dog "//Sharing characters is not allowed." WTF yo ?????
Agreed, it's a SINGLE player game & doesn't hurt anyone.
anyway grats on figuring C/E ...and comment edited 645 times in total. lol, if that's not persistence ...IDK what is.

And not forgetting all concerned with this remake, a big THANKYOU!. Including the Docs on items & chars - A work in progress, but nonetheless excellent to have.

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